English patriotism is one of the overlooked reasons for UKIP’s rise – Spectator

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Posted on : 08-05-2013 | By : EnglandExists | In : Uncategorized

English patriotism is one of the overlooked reasons for UKIP’s rise

 3 May 2013 16:59
UKIP

What can account for UKIP’s remarkable surge in support in these elections? The conventional wisdom is that UKIP is now the ‘go to’ party for protest voters. Angry over Europe and immigration? Vote UKIP. Fear for your job and the future of the economy? Vote UKIP. Feel the main parties are ‘all the same’, run by metropolitan elites who don’t know how ordinary people live? Vote UKIP.

There is doubtless something in all of the above, but there is perhaps another explanation – overlooked until now – for UKIP’s rise: the growing tide of English patriotism.

Earlier in the year, figures from the 2011 census showed there had been a dramatic strengthening of English national identity in the last decade.  Fully 70 per cent of the English population identified themselves as either solely English or English in combination with some other national identity.

Now new data from a survey conducted by IPPR with Cardiff and Edinburgh universities shows that English identity is not just getting stronger, it is becoming politicised.

And UKIP seems to be the main beneficiary of this important trend that is beginning to make its presence felt in English political life.

The reason is that it is exactly those voters who feel more strongly English who also believe that England is getting a raw deal from its membership of both the European Union and the current political settlement in the United Kingdom. Englishness is also more closely associated with concerns about immigration and globalisation. The inter-relation between these issues provides a significant opportunity for UKIP to further deepen its electoral appeal in England.

In the past UKIP has been reluctant to play the English card, for fear it might muddy their position on Europe and weaken the union. Yet their support is heavily concentrated in England, and it is England where anti-EU sentiment is strongest. And the widely held view that England has being neglected by an out of touch and remote political elite also works very effectively with their populist critique of mainstream politics.

All of this means that the Conservatives are being pushed off the ‘green and pleasant’ turf that they have always regarded as naturally theirs.

UKIP now tops the list of the parties that voters believe ‘best stands up for the interests of England’ with 21 per cent compared with Labour’s 19 per cent and the Conservatives 17 per cent. Moreover UKIP’s level of support on this question has more than doubled in just two years.

Even more strikingly, people who voted Conservative at 2010 general election  are almost evenly split on the party who they believe best stands up for England. 38 per cent say the Conservatives, 34 per cent say UKIP – and the number of Tories opting for UKIP has almost doubled from 18 per cent in 2011.

As they have on other issues, UKIP seems to be stealing a march on the Tories on increasingly fertile political territory. Tory high command will be worried enough about today’s result – but if UKIP was to more explicitly champion the cause of English nationalism it could, it seems, erode Conservative support still further.

Guy Lodge is Associate Director at IPPR. The findings from the Future of EnglandSurvey will be published in full by IPPR later this summer.

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Plaid strengthens its call for English parliament after Welsh questions anger

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Posted on : 26-04-2013 | By : EnglandExists | In : Uncategorized

Plaid strengthens its call for English parliament after Welsh questions anger

 

Plaid Cymru believe English MPs are asking too many questions during Commons’ Welsh session, strengthening the case for a dedicated English parliament

Welsh Secretary David Jones
Welsh Secretary David Jones

Plaid Cymru says English MPs are asking too many questions during Commons’ Welsh session.

Just six of the 15 MPs who won a slot to ask the Welsh Secretary a question in the House of Commons represent a constituency in Wales, sparking concern from Plaid Cymru about a lack of effective scrutiny.

The session has now been cancelled because parliament has broken up ahead of the Queen’s Speech on May 8, but Plaid argues the present system of holding the Welsh Secretary to account is not fit for purpose.

Plaid’s Arfon MP Hywel Williams argues the case for the creation of a dedicated English Parliament is growing stronger.

If Welsh Questions had gone ahead, the first seven would have been asked by English MPs, with Harlow’s Robert Halfon kicking off with a query about what discussions Secretary of State for Wales David Jones has had with the Welsh Government about reducing the cost of living.

Mr Williams said that the current system was “constitutionally unsatisfactory” and called for the launch of an English Parliament with similar powers to the legislatures in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland. The Arfon MP said this would allow English MPs to “debate their own problems without hampering the accountability of the ministers responsible for the other nations of the UK.”

He said: “This ballot draw for the next Welsh Questions is the latest in a string of events and reports highlighting the UK’s constitutional impasse. Plaid Cymru MPs do not vote on matters which pertain only to England.

“It is perfectly reasonable for members representing Welsh constituencies to question the eagerness of some English MPs to participate in debates on issues that don’t impact them. Plaid Cymru have long-called for an English Parliament as a simple solution to address the UK’s democratic deficit.

“This would tackle the problems stemming from the fact that the House of Commons is currently trying to do two jobs – being the English Parliament and the UK Parliament. This would not only answer the West Lothian Question over whether non-English MPs should vote on English-only matters and vice versa, but also remove any obstacles to the true accountability of ministers who are currently getting away with light scrutiny.

“With only 30 minutes per month granted to Welsh MPs to raise their concerns about Welsh matters, and these 30 minutes currently being dominated by MPs from English constituencies, the flaws in the current constitution of the UK could not be clearer.”

However, A UK Government spokesman defended the status quo, saying: “Plaid Cymru are a party of separatists and want to break up the country. This is the United Kingdom and we believe that all Members of Parliament should have an equal right to raise whatever issue they wish at whichever First Order Questions they choose.

“Plaid Cymru can continue in their separatist vein if they wish, but this Government believes we’re better together.”

Newport East Labour MP Jessica Morden also opposed changing the system, saying: “We’re a UK parliament. I don’t think the system should change and there’s a strength in having voices from across parliament.”

She said that MPs with seats near Wales had raised important issues, such as the safety of cockle-pickers.

“It’s up to MPs to use their own sense,” she said. “If they have a genuine interest in Welsh issues that’s good.”

However, she doubted the motivation of some MPs taking part, saying: “We welcome if people are genuine but sometimes you wonder if they are being asked to fill up the time.”

Plaid’s call for change comes in the same week that Ukip leader Nigel Farage said it was “completely unacceptable” for Welsh MPs to vote on issues such as education and fox-hunting in England.

Urging English voters to demand further devolution, Arfon’s Mr Williams said: “As Plaid Cymru ensures that Wales isn’t left behind in this debate, the people of England must also embrace their right to determine their future through an accountable institution of their own.”

Is Uncles away with the Leprechauns? The man who begged to Sinn Féin for money strikes again.

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Posted on : 07-04-2013 | By : EnglandExists | In : Uncategorized

Exclusive – Steve Uncles has been caught lying again. (Not really an Exclusive in that case).

I am really starting to believe that Mr Uncles must believe in Leprechauns, Unicorns and Mordor. The same could be said of his followers, who re-post his nonsense and re-tweeters of his lies on twitter.

The Leader/Chairman and Defacto leader of the English Democrats Party/BNP lite have been peddling their lies and ignorance again this week, all aimed at UKIP.

Bit of Background on the scenario: Uncles and Tillbrook wanted to join UKIP stating the EDP would be folded for cushy MEP spots, they were told no so have spat their dummy ever since with lies and basically libel on their blogs. That’s the long and short of it.

They do try and deny this, but their stories change every time. On minute its Pearson next its Nigel ……………blah blah blah, you have probably read the rubbish somewhere.

Now to the lies:edp Uncles lying on his blog

Complete and Utter Bollocks.

Here is a statement from UKIP Doncaster Branch:

UKIP Doncaster Press Release

UKIP Doncaster Press Release

UKIP will not oppose Mayor Peter Davies
It is Davies or Labour says Chairman

Doncaster, April 5, 2013: UKIP have been making great strides forward in the polls and the recent Eastleigh bye-election showed that in today’s political world, the party is a national a contender.
Over the last several months the local UKIP party has seen a steep climb in new members and the party is preparing to fight the 2014 council elections. Given the rise in UKIP support nationally, the fact that the party is not standing a candidate for the forthcoming mayoral election may be surprising. The party has no allusions that it would necessarily win but would still usually fight the election.

The local party has polled its members and there is no wish to stand against Mayor Peter Davies. In this particular case, it was felt that any vote not for the Mayor Peter Davies would be a vote for the Labour Party.

Members have therefore decided to put aside national politics in favour of doing what is best for the town in this current situation. Whilst not agreeing with all Mayor Davies has done, we believe he has been a critical check & balance against a Labour dominated council; the handing of the mayoralty to Labour would be an unhealthy situation for the Doncaster.

UKIP will therefore not be fielding a candidate in the mayoral election. We do however give notice that we shall fight the 2014 council elections vigorously, giving the people of Doncaster a vote for real change.

We wish the Mayor well in May.

Guy Aston
Branch Chairman

So there is the truth behind the matter.

Another lie from the Political donkey from Dartford:
edp Uncles claiming cliff is standing in south sheilds
Cliff is the Hillingdon Branch Chair and has no interest in standing in South Shields.
In UKIP the local branches normally choose the candidates by members ballot.
Unlike the English Dims, Uncles and Robin normally choose them.

Uncles and Robins unhealthy obsession with UKIP after being blackballed actually cause them to invent an entity called UKIP BLACK OPS………………….Yes this really happened.

http://www.bloggers4ukip.org.uk/2012/01/we-are-ukip-black-ops.html

Robins obsessive rants are become borderline lunacy.
This stems from the blackballing by UKIP and the loss of his case against my fellow Civic English Nationalist, Stuart Parr.

His latest blog post should be embarrassing to any sane Civic English Nationalist left in the English Dims and have heard about the policies UKIP have been honing in favour of fairness for England.

Here it is:edp tillbrook blog confused

Lets break this down:
“7:54pm (Farage) answers a question about an English parliament by saying “Westminster has always got the devolution question wrong, any sense of the English wanting its own identity has been sneered at by the main three parties.” “

http://www.malverngazette.co.uk/news/10331170.Live__UKIP_leader_Nigel_Farage_in_Worcester/

Robin they put up excerpts from the speech the English parliament speech lasted 10 mins in a 2 hour talk…………………..DUH!!!!

In fact UKIP’s real policy position on Englishness is stated in their policy document “Restoring Britishness” in which they claim that English nationalism is “increasingly resentful” and “arguably the most serious threat to Britishness.”!
Here is a link to that UKIP policy >>>http://www.castles99.ukprint.com/UKIP/Britishness.pdf

MMmmm FFS …..Come on Robin you are supposed to be highly educated and a solicitor, dont tell me you did not research this before posting this drivel.
That is from the 2010 election manifesto, it has changed since then and a real policy is being discussed not just soundbytes stolen from the CEP like the English Dims policy on an English Parliament,
http://www.bloggers4ukip.org.uk/2013/02/new-ukip-policy-on-devolution.html

And here is a good discussion on the ‘lunacy’ of their policy on an English Parliament (by a member of UKIP!) >>> http://toque.co.uk/node/1929

 

Once again Gareth is not a UKIP member and likes the new concept to a degree.

Robin needs to get a grip and stop listening to these people that are telling him these made up lies.

Uncles needs to get a grip of something other than himself while posting on his farcical blog in the early hours.

And he needs to stop going to Gregs fifteen times a day for snacks.
edp dartford bunker

IPPR North recommends Localism again to answer the English Question. It is not a solution Mr Lodge.

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Posted on : 04-04-2013 | By : EnglandExists | In : Uncategorized

Let the English have a taste of devolution for themselves

devolution and localismpolitical ideas

Author(s):  Guy Lodge
Published date:  03 Apr 2013
Source:  Yorkshire Post

Lost in a week dominated by news of economic Armageddon in the Mediterranean was the publication of a report by the former Clerk of the House of Commons, Sir William McKay, which wrestles with the arcane constitutional riddle known since the 1970s as the West Lothian question.

West Lothian refers to the anomaly that has arisen following devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland whereby non-English MPs get a say on decisions that relate only to England, but English MPs have no reciprocal say on devolved policy. In essence it is an anomaly rooted in the fact that after devolution the Westminster parliament doubles-up as a parliament for the UK and a parliament for England too.

If it were not for two factors the West Lothian question would be of interest only to constitutional anoraks.

Firstly, public opinion in England has shifted significantly since devolution. Survey evidence from the Institute for Public Policy Research shows that over time devolution has created a sense among the English electorate that they are getting a raw deal from a union that they believe over-privileges the other nations, particularly Scotland.

Significantly, research also suggests that the English no longer trust UK-wide political institutions like Westminster to pursue and defend English interests. Thus 81 per cent of English voters say they think that Scottish MPs should not be allowed to vote on English matters.

Politics is the second factor: the uneven territorial distribution of political power across the UK significantly politicises the debate on West Lothian, with reform believed to favour the Conservatives (who have few MPs outside of England) and punish Labour with its strong powerbase in Scotland and Wales.

So if public opinion is to be listened too then something must be done, but is it possible to do so in way that doesn’t lead to political inertia?

This is where McKay comes in. For a committee made up of the great and the good it deserves credit for listening to English concerns since its starting point is that the status quo is no longer tenable.

Shrewdly McKay calls on the House of Commons to adopt a principle which expects UK governments to act with the consent of English MPs when proposing English-only legislation. That would not give them a veto; the proposals sensibly reject giving English MPs a right to block English-only laws, as that would create constitutional chaos on the rare occasions when a UK government lacks a majority in England. But it would mean that for the first time England would be formally recognised in our constitutional arrangements.

Whether McKay’s proposals are considered sufficiently flexible to attract cross-party support will largely depend on the position of the Labour party. They believe that any attempt to curb the rights of Scottish MPs in the Commons will adversely affect their ability to form a UK government. Unsurprisingly therefore they refused to engage with the McKay process.

Labour strategists would do well to take a closer look at post-war electoral history which reveals that elections in which Scottish MPs have been decisive are relatively rare. Only on two occasions since the war has a Labour UK government being formed when it lacked a majority in England: these were the short-lived parliaments of 1964-66 and February-October 1974, when Labour had thin or negligible majorities in the Commons. In other words when Labour wins, it usually wins in England too.

Some will say why mess around with parliamentary procedure when England – like the other nations – should be given its own parliament. The flaw in this proposal is that it would likely destablise the union. An English Prime Minister, controlling most public spending, would soon be a bigger figure than David Cameron, the UK’s Prime Minister. Westminster would no longer be the focus of our national politics.

But the other major flaw with an English Parliament is that it would see a further concentration of power at the centre, which is the last thing England needs. The suffocating centralisation of the post-war period is the real curse of contemporary English governance.

Instead it would be far better too combine the workable approach McKay advances for placing greater emphasis on England at Westminster, with a radical dose of devomax within England itself. A powerful way of giving meaningful expression to rising English cultural and political sentiment would be to hand real control down from Whitehall to England’s cities and localities. Such a package would make for a fairer and more resilient union.

 

A brilliant analysis of the Mckay commission faliure to answer the WLQ – by Wonko

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Posted on : 26-03-2013 | By : EnglandExists | In : Uncategorized

McKay Commission fails to answer West Lothian Question

The McKay Commission on the West Lothian Question has reported today with the conclusion that not addressing the West Lothian Question is unsustainable and that nothing should be changed to address the West Lothian Question.

Sir William McKayBritish government puts Scot in charge of commission deciding whether Scots should vote on English laws

The report says that English-only legislation should be supported by a majority of British MPs representing constituencies in England and that they should pass a resolution saying that they’re not going to do it again.

And that’s it – no ban on British MPs from constituencies in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland from voting on laws that are devolved in their own country, nothing to prevent a repeat of the shameful way Scottish MPs voted through foundation hospitals and university tuition fees for England.  The procedures of the British House of Commons “should be changes to encourage MPs to follow this approach” (my emphasis).

The report says that instead of requiring a majority of MPs representing constituencies in England to pass a bill affecting England only, they should just publish the voting record of MPs representing constituencies in England alongside the final result.

If a government was seen to have failed to attract the support of a majority of MPs from England [or England and Wales] for business affecting those interests, it would be likely to sustain severe political damage.

This is pie in the sky stuff from the Scotsman the Brits ironically put in charge of this English commission.  It was well publicised at the time and has continued to be well publicised that it was British MPs elected in Scotland who imposed tuition fees on English students yet despite all the campaigns and violent protests about them being introduced (and then tripled) there has been no mention of this fact by the campaigners, protesters or the media.  In fact, the executive summary of the report also fails to mention these votes, raising the prospect of it happening but then dismissing it by pointing out that the party with a majority in the British Parliament has only had a minority in England twice which is completely irrelevant.

Specifically it raises the possibility that a majority opinion among MPs from England on such laws could be outvoted by a UK-wide majority of all UK MPs. But it is extremely rare for this to happen. Since 1919, only in the short-lived parliaments of 1964–66 and February–October 1974 has the party or coalition forming the UK Government not also enjoyed a majority in England.

The report recognises that “people in England are unhappy about the existing arrangements and support change” but ignores – by cherry picking the surveys it quotes – the fact that the majority of that support for change is for an English Parliament.  It goes on to say that British MPs representing constituencies in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should not be banned from voting on English matters because that “would create two different classes of MP” completely missing the point that there are already two different classes of MP – those who can vote on domestic affairs in their own constituency and those who can’t, those who can vote on laws for another country where the people affected can’t hold them to account and those who can be held to account by every voter their decisions affect.

The commission report says that the democratic deficit in England as a result of the botched devolution deal that left England out is accidental:

In the absence of change in the way the House of Commons works, the consequence – clearly unintended, but nonetheless important – may be to impede the voicing of any distinctively English concerns, or perceived concerns, that exist on wholly or mainly English matters.

I don’t believe for a moment that the way England is treated as a British colony is accidental and the refusal of the British government to release the minutes of the 1997 Cabinet meetings on devolution makes me all the more suspicious.  The spurious excuse for withholding the minutes is that it would undermine the principle of collective decision making but last week Margaret Thatcher’s papers from the Falklands war were published which showed that Ken Clarke – a current member of the Cabinet – opposed kicking the Argentinians out of the Falklands and favoured collaboration with them instead.  If those papers don’t undermine the principle of collective decision making then what does?

McKay and his researchers make it very clear that they have sought opinions from all parts of the UK on how England should be government:

Any reforms undertaken to respond to English concerns must therefore be mindful of possible impacts outside England and seek to mitigate such impacts.

In 1997, however, nobody in England was asked for an opinion on how Scotland and Wales should be governed.  We weren’t even asked for an opinion on how England should be government and we’ve been refused the right to voice our opinion on it ever since.

The report dismisses an English Parliament within a British federation out of hand, claiming that “the great majority of evidence submitted to [them] was, however, set firmly against the idea of an English Parliament”.  This “evidence” was:

There are no precedents of federal systems in which one component makes up over five-sixths of the overall population of a state. There is a wide view that such a big unit would destabilise the state as a whole, both in relation to the three much smaller units in Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales, but also in relation to the federal UK parliament and government, to which an English parliament would be likely to be a powerful rival.

While there is no precedent of a federal system with one constituent part comprising 80% of the population working, there is no precedent of it not working.  There is evidence of discrimination or poor treatment of a native population bringing down entire empires though so the commission is shown to be very selective in what “evidence” it considers.

The argument that an English Parliament would somehow dominate a federal British government is a nonsense – in a federal structure the English Parliament would be concerned only with English domestic affairs, the same as the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly and Northern Irish Assembly are now.  If a reserved matter was of such specific national interest that the English Parliament and one or more of the other national parliaments were at loggerheads over it then it is clearly something that should be devolved anyway.

Any federal system requires a delineation of competences, which are usually arbitrated by a supreme court that would be able to overrule the UK parliament, as well as binding the devolved institutions. This would be a radical departure from UK constitutional practice. In this and in other respects, the “massive upheaval in governmental arrangements that would be needed to create a new Parliament for 50 million people” would not appear a proportionate response to the current sense of disadvantage in England.

I fail to see the problem with a constitutional court and in fact proposed this as part of mycase for a British confederation – a solution that the McKay commission didn’t consider.  The British government (and devolved governments) should be bound by the law.  Changing the law to legitimise breaking the law is clearly wrong and a constitutional court should be able to bind a government in its judgements.  Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?  Nobody and that’s why our politicians have been able to lie, cheat and thieve their way through their political careers with relative impunity.  A constitutional court is an eminently sensible suggestion.

Whether the creation of an English Parliament is considered by politicians and academics to be “proportionate” or not is irrelevant.  It is an integral part of the only two workable solutions to the democratic deficit experienced in England that maintains a British union and is what most polls show that most people in England want.

It seems unlikely in the current climate that citizens would favour having more politicians than now, or the costs associated with establishing a new institution.

The “more politicians, more cost” argument about an English Parliament is so discredited that it really shouldn’t have made it into this report containing “expert” evidence and opinion at all.  The vast majority of legislation currently passed by the British government is either English-only legislation now or would be under a federal system of government.  There is no need for over 650 British MPs with most of their work being the responsibility of another government.  Simply taking the number of British MPs representing constituencies in England and applying that number to a devolved English Parliament and redistributing the difference would result in no net increase in politicians but by being a bit more ambitious, the total number of politicians in the British and English parliaments could easily be decreased.

The cost is also a non-argument.  Former Tory MP, Chris Gill, wrote a paper on creating a British federation when he was still an MP.  The paper proposed turning the House of Commons into an English Parliament and the House of Lords into a federal British Parliament and found that in today’s money, it would save almost half a billion a year.

The report touches on cross-border effects of English legislation and uses that as a reason not to ban British MPs representing constituencies in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland from voting on English laws.  It fails to examine the existing example of the Scottish government being given jurisdiction over sections of the River Tweed in England and its English tributaries which means English people accused of unauthorised fishing on an English river can be summoned to appear before a Scottish Sheriff in a Scottish court to be tried under Scottish law.

Cross-border effects of English legislation under the British government are also not fully explored.  The requirement of all young English people to remain in education until the age of 18 is a perfect example – the British government has passed this law without considering the cross-border effects resulting in there still being unanswered questions as to how people moving from England before finishing their post-16 education will continue to be educated in Scotland and Wales or if Scottish people will be exempted from post-16 education despite the fact that it comes into force this September.

EU legislation is given a brief mention, pointing out that it is applied differently to England than it is in Scotland, Wales and northern Ireland and that there is no differentiation between English and British interests.  The report fails to point out that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have their own representation to the EU.

So, that’s the report in all it’s inglorious mediocrity but what’s wrong with the proposal itself?  The proposals put forward by the report won’t actually change change anything in any material way.  The standing orders for committees might change but that’s just a framework.  Most English people have little interest in how these committees are formed, they’re bothered about the fact that British MPs representing constituencies in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland get to vote on English laws and sometimes get to overrule the wishes of the majority of British MPs representing constituencies in England.  The McKay commission’s proposals don’t address this at all.  It isn’t even the unworkable “English Votes on English Laws” constitutional fudge, it’s a fudge of that fudge and a waste of everyone’s time, money and effort.

There are only three workable solutions to the democratic deficit experienced by England in the British union.  The first option and the one that causes the least constitutional upheaval is a federal structure which sees England given a devolved English Parliament with at least the same powers as the Scottish Parliament.  The second option is a more ambitious constitutional change, creating a British confederation.  The third option is English independence.  English Votes on English Laws and any of the variants proposed now or in the past just can’t be made to work.  A politician can’t exclusively represent British interests one day and exclusively represent English interests the next.  English laws need to be proposed, amended and voted on by politicians elected in England to represent English interests in an English government.  English Votes on English Laws would give us British politicians elected in England to represent British interests in the British government making British laws for England.  It would be an unworkable mess.

The unwritten brief of the McKay commission was to come up with a way of maintaining the status quo whilst appearing to be addressing the concerns of English people about who gets to make English laws.  In this respect, the commission has successfully met its objectives and the British government now has an “independent” report telling them that the answer to the West Lothian Question is to con English people into thinking that they’re doing something about it whilst doing absolutely nothing to address it.

Progress on giving England a voice.

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Posted on : 18-02-2013 | By : EnglandExists | In : Uncategorized

Saturday, 16 February 2013

New UKIP policy on devolution: an unintended confederation

During the UKIP conference in Birmingham I was slipped a piece of paper with details of UKIP’s new devolution policy and some notes confirming that the NEC had approved it and it had the blessing of UKIP Wales who have been a pain in the ass over devolution for some time, considering it the work of Satan (or worse, the French).

When I first joined UKIP there was no policy on devolution other than a “Britishness” policy that said that much like the Tories in the late 90s, UKIP opposes devolution and wants a return to a unitary state but would tolerate Grand Committees of British MPs.  Over the years I, along with others, have managed to talk some sense into the leadership (and membership) which culminated in a policy proposal written by Deputy Leader, Paul Nuttall, for an English Parliament and converting the House of Lords into a federal British Parliament.
Paul’s policy was well received in England but less so in Wales where a tiny group of Big Britishers vocally argue against devolution based on an irrational and inaccurate belief that devolution is a plot by the EU to destroy the UK.  It was Paul’s policy that resulted in so many members of the English Democrats (the good ones, not the nutters and racists) abandoning that sinking ship and joining UKIP.

A new policy proposal was written and was given the seal of approval by UKIP Wales who think it’s a rehash of the half-backed Grand Committee idea where British MPs elected in England, Scotland, Wales and NI would come together for a few days a month and make British laws for their own countries under a gentleman’s agreement that they won’t interfere in each others’ affairs.  The policy is somewhat further reaching than that and I suspect that nobody who’s seen it so far truly understands the (positive) unintended consequences.

The new policy turns the Grand Committee idea on its head and instead of creating English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish Grand Committees to make British laws for their respective countries, the national governments of the member states of the UK would be directly elected and the English, Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs would appoint representatives to the British government.  The British government would be “indirectly elected” (ie. appointed) like the hated regional assemblies were.  Clearly this creates something of a democratic deficit which is where the unintended consequences come into play.

It’s difficult to see how you could give an indirectly elected British government parliamentary sovereignty rather than a directly elected national government.  The only option is to make the national governments sovereign which would create a confederation.  A confederation is a union of sovereign states and by virtue of that sovereignty, they would have the legal and constitutional power to secede from the union in their own right rather than relying on the Montevideo Convention (effectively restated by the EEC’s Badinter Arbitration Committee so it doesn’t matter that the UK didn’t sign up to it) which is the usual way a state gets its independence.

The alternative is that you have an appointed and therefore less accountable body with the ability to over-rule or even abolish the national governments that appointed them.  If you wouldn’t give, for example, the Parliamentary Standards Committee the lawful right to unilaterally sack MPs, appoint its own government and prevent elections then you shouldn’t entertain the idea of giving an appointed federal government parliamentary sovereignty.

Now, I’m more than happy with the idea of a confederation and it’s something I’ve advocated for some time as the form of government that will prolong the union the longest as it is a consensual union rather than a prescriptive one which should be palatable to both unionists and separatists alike.  On paper it makes the union weaker although in practical terms it makes it stronger because it puts it on a footing that should be acceptable to separatists.

I was asked for an opinion on how to deal with the gap in accountability that would arise from abolishing the House of Lords when Paul Nuttall was writing his policy proposal.  The answer I came up with was a constitutional court along the lines of the German Bundesverfassungsgericht which would have the authority to choose what legislation it wants to rule on and its ruling would be binding.  The same gap in accountability would also be present under a confederation and I maintain that a constitutional court is still the answer.

This policy is a bold move – literally reinventing the union in a way that no political party has ever proposed.  Even the English Democrats who claim to be the English version of the SNP (they’re not but everyone needs an aspiration, no matter how fanciful) haven’t gone as far as this.  A confederation is the best of both worlds for both unionists and separatists.  The member states of a British Confederation would be sovereign nations able to leave the confederation at any time but they would still be in a British union, albeit voluntarily rather than because the law says they have to be.  I, for one, am looking forward to UKIP announcing this policy formally and campaigning for this radical new form of government that finally brings equality and fairness to all the member states of the UK.

How you can help to get cabinet devolution minutes released

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Posted on : 19-01-2013 | By : EnglandExists | In : Uncategorized

The SNP have asked the British government for the minutes of the 1997 cabinet meeting on devolution in which it was decided that the Scots and Welsh would be allowed self government whilst England would not.

This important document has been requested a number of times under the Freedom of Information Act and blocked every time.  The Information Commissioner has ruled that release of the minutes is in the public interest and ordered their release but they were blocked by the Attorney General, Dominic Grieve.

1997 CabinetWhat are these traitors so desperate to hide?

Vetoing FOI requests requires the unanimous agreement of the cabinet.  When Jack Straw and Dominic Grieve vetoed their release in 2009 and 2012, these people conspired to keep the minutes secret:

Jack Straw Dominic Grieve
The Rt Hon Gordon Brown MP The Rt Hon. David Cameron MP
The Rt Hon Harriet Harman QC MP The Rt Hon. Nick Clegg MP
The Rt Hon The Lord Mandelson PC The Rt Hon. William Hague MP
The Rt Hon Alistair Darling MP The Rt Hon. George Osborne MP
The Rt Hon David Miliband MP The Rt Hon. Kenneth Clarke QC MP
The Rt Hon Jack Straw MP The Rt Hon. Theresa May MP
The Rt Hon Alan Johnson MP The Rt Hon. Dr Liam Fox MP
The Rt Hon Hilary Benn MP The Rt Hon. Philip Hammond MP
The Rt Hon Douglas Alexander MP The Rt Hon. Dr Vince Cable MP
The Rt Hon John Denham MP The Rt Hon. Iain Duncan Smith MP
The Rt Hon Ed Balls MP The Rt Hon. Chris Huhne MP
The Rt Hon Ed Miliband MP The Rt Hon. Edward Davey MP
The Rt Hon Andy Burnham MP The Rt Hon. Andrew Lansley CBE MP
The Rt Hon Shaun Woodward MP The Rt Hon. Michael Gove MP
The Rt Hon The Baroness Royall of Blaisdon PC The Rt Hon. Eric Pickles MP
The Rt Hon Tessa Jowell MP The Rt Hon. Philip Hammond MP
The Rt Hon Jim Murphy MP The Rt Hon. Justine Greening MP
The Rt Hon Yvette Cooper MP The Rt Hon. Caroline Spelman MP
The Rt Hon Liam Byrne MP The Rt Hon. Andrew Mitchell MP
The Rt Hon Peter Hain MP The Rt Hon. Owen Paterson MP
The Rt Hon Bob Ainsworth MP The Rt Hon. Danny Alexander MP
The Rt Hon The Lord Adonis MP The Rt Hon. Michael Moore MP
The Rt Hon Ben Bradshaw MP The Rt Hon. Cheryl Gillan MP
The Rt Hon Nick Brown MP The Rt Hon. Jeremy Hunt MP
The Rt Hon The Lord Malloch-Brown KCMG PC The Rt Hon. David Laws MP
The Rt Hon John Healey MP The Rt Hon. Danny Alexander MP
The Rt Hon Pat McFadden MP The Rt Hon. The Lord Strathclyde PC
The Rt Hon The Lord Drayson PC The Rt Hon. The Baroness Warsi PC
The Rt Hon Jim Knight MP The Rt Hon. Francis Maude MP
The Rt Hon The Baroness Scotland of Asthal PC QC The Rt Hon. Oliver Letwin MP
The Rt Hon Dawn Primarolo MP The Rt Hon. David Willetts MP
The Rt Hon Rosie Winterton MP The Rt Hon. Sir George Young Bt MP
The Rt Hon Sadiq Khan MP The Rt Hon. Patrick McLoughlin MP
The Rt Hon. Dominic Grieve QC MP

The minutes are really of more interest to the English than the Scots as they got what they wanted and we got shafted so we shouldn’t be leaving it to the Scots to get these minutes into the public domain.  If every English person interested in seeing what decisions were made at the cabinet meeting that have resulted in over 15 years of institutional discrimination against the English made a Freedom of Information request for the minute, it would be extremely damaging to the British government if they tried to block their release to hundreds or thousands of people.

If you want to help force the release of these minutes, you need to send an FOI request for them to foi.team@cabinet-office.gsi.gov.uk.  My request is as follows:

Under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act, I am requesting a copy of the minutes of the 1997 Cabinet meetings on devolution. I am also requesting a copy of the Terms of Reference for the cabinet committee headed by Lord Irvine that the minutes relate to and any legal or departmental advice provided to the cabinet in relation to these meetings.

Update:
Kev has started an e-Petition on the British government’s website.

See also:

Do we need a constitutional convention for the UK?

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Posted on : 22-06-2012 | By : EnglandExists | In : Uncategorized

Written evidence submitted by Canon Kenyon Wright CBE (CC 01)

SCOTLAND AND UK CONSTITUTIONAL CHANGE

“Our constitution is wearing out” Lord Hailsham

1. A Constitutional Convention for the UK, which addresses the central issue of the constitutional relationships between the component nations, must begin by recognising (and seeking to resolve) the fundamental conflict between the Scottish and the English (now British) constitutional understanding and traditions.

2. To do this, it might be helpful to identify the distinctive elements that created the Scottish Constitutional Convention, and that in the end led to its success.

3. The most important of these was the traditional Scottish understanding of popular sovereignty, expressed dramatically at the very first session in 1989 when all members solemnly lined up to sign the “Claim of Right for Scotland“. This affirmed “the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of government best suited to their needs“. Our Convention did not begin with a political aim. It began with a fundamental constitutional principle, and all our work flowed from that.

4. Perhaps not all who signed that day (or who reaffirmed it in the Scottish Parliament earlier this year) fully recognised the implicit rejection of the claim of Westminster, or more accurately, of “the Crown in Parliament” to absolute sovereignty.

5. We reaffirmed a theme that runs through Scottish history-from the Declaration of Arbroath to the 2 previous Claims of Right of 1689 and 1842 , both of which were in different ways a rejection of the Crown’s or Parliament’s right to impose on Scotland. Lord President Cooper, probably the greatest Scottish lawyer of the last century, said “The principle of the unlimited sovereignty of Parliament is a distinctively English principle which has no counterpart in Scottish constitutional law.

6. That principle has in practice meant the growing power of the Government and especially the Prime Minister rather than Parliament-a situation the new Scottish Parliament has explicitly renounced.

7. This principle was massively strengthened by the perception, right or wrong, that the Thatcher Government was not only imposing policies that Scotland manifestly rejected, but was seen as an attempt to impose an alien ideology. We saw what could be done by a political system which Lord Hailsham called “an elective dictatorship.

8. This combination put a strong wind in our sails.

9. The Church of Scotland Assembly in 1989 spelled this out and said we had a crisis-”a crisis more real than apparent, within the constitutional foundations of Scotland and the United Kingdom. It is real in that it involves a clear conflict between two totally opposing notions of sovereignty in the Scottish and English constitutional traditions-made apparent by the polarising tendencies in British society in the 80’s but always present and underlying. From a Scottish constitutional (and theological) perspective this English tradition of state absolutism has always been unacceptable in principle. It is now intolerable in practice. The Scottish Parliament must be built upon philosophical foundations that are more coherent and credible than the notions which underpin the existing British constitution.”

10. On this basis, the Convention’s final Report in 1995 said the coming of a Scottish Parliament “will usher in a way of politics that is radically different from the rituals of Westminster; more participative, more creative, less needlessly confrontational-a culture of openness.…..much more than a mere institutional adjustment. It is a means not an end.”

A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION FOR THE UK?

11. There is a strong case for a Constitutional Convention for the UK. There are I believe a number of crucial questions which Scotland brings to the debate.

12. The main roadblock to real change is the unwritten constitutional doctrine of the absolute sovereignty of the Crown in Parliament, with the enormous powers of patronage and royal prerogatives which this gives in reality to the Prime Minister.

13. It is of course true that in practice alternative bases of more or less secure power have been created in the smaller nations, but the legal right of Westminster to have the last word remains. Indeed it may be used to shape the coming Referendum.

14. Any Convention must therefore have the mandate to look at the constitutional foundations of each of the nations, and at alternative models of relationship.

This would include such issues as:

§ the need for a written constitution defining the relationships of the 4 nations;

§ the principle of subsidiarity and real sharing of power;

§ the meaning of Autonomy within a reformed Union;

§ the anomaly of the “West Lothian question”;

§ the case for an English Parliament and government;

§ the case for a Federal, Quasi Federal or Confederal system;

§ the role and shape of the UK Parliament in any new system;

§ the role and shape of a second chamber in a new UK.

15. This inquiry is a real opportunity for some bold and imaginative thinking about the future of a Union in need of reform. Let us not be too timid or afraid to think innovatively.

May 2012

Public Interest – guest post by Toque

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Posted on : 14-02-2012 | By : EnglandExists | In : British Politics, CEP, England, English Campaign, English Politics, scotland

Original Article

The Scotsman carries news of my Freedom of Information requests.

Dominic Grieve, the Attorney General, has blocked the release of Cabinet committee papers relating to devolution under the Freedom of Information Act.

Grieve confirmed today his belief that their release would not be in the public interest.

Instead, Grieve said he believed it would undermine the operation of government.

A request had been made for publication of the minutes of the Cabinet Ministerial Committee of Devolution to Scotland and Wales and the English Regions, dating from 1997 and 1998.

Such a veto has only been used twice in the past, once relating to further devolution papers and once over a request for Cabinet minutes relating to Iraq.

Mr Grieve’s veto related to two specific requests for documents.

The first, received by the Cabinet Office on May 24 2010, asked for the “minutes of the 1997 Cabinet meeting on devolution”.

The request was rejected on June 18 2010, and the applicant requested an internal review of the decision on July 14 2010. Refusal was upheld the following month, on August 11 2010.

A request for further appeal was then made to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) and on September 12 2011, having reviewed the decision, the Information Commissioners ordered the material be released.

A second request, made on June 7 2010, asked for “the minutes of the Cabinet Sub-Committee on Devolution for Scotland, Wales and the Regions”.

The Cabinet Office rejected the request on July 5 2010, and an appeal was made on July 21 2010. An internal review upheld the refusal on November 24 2010.

The request was referred to the ICO on November 29 2010 for further investigation. The Information Commissioner ruled on September 13 2011 that the information should be released.

The phrase ‘public interest’ is used by journalists to justify exposure of fraud, corruption, hypocrisy, institutional incompetence, wrong-doing, etc., but Westminster politicians use the phase in a different way, for them ‘public interest’ often means ‘national interest’ – the national interest of the United Kingdom. The public have a right to know but only if that knowledge does not damage the United Kingdom.

When Dominic Grieve was in opposition Jack Straw explained that he had vetoed publication of the Cabinet’s Iraq War minutes after weighing up the public interest in transparency against the public interest in maintaining the integrity of our system of Cabinet government.

We have done much to meet the public interest in openness and accountability. But the duty to advance that interest further cannot supplant the public interest in maintaining the integrity of our system of government. The decision to exercise the veto has been subject to much thought, and it will doubtless—and rightly so—be the object of much scrutiny. I have not taken it lightly, but it is a necessary decision to protect the public interest in effective Cabinet government.

The public interest in withholding the information outweighed the public interest in disclosure. According to Straw disclosure of the Iraq war minutes would have prevented future Cabinets from being able to discuss sensitive matters of national importance (such as the legality of invading Iraq) in an atmosphere of complete confidentiality, thereby undermining the British system of collective responsibility and consent.

The principle of collective responsibility, save where it is explicitly set aside, requires that Ministers should be able to express their views frankly in the expectation that they can argue freely in private while maintaining a united front when decisions have been reached. This in turn requires that the privacy of opinions expressed in Cabinet and Ministerial committees, including in correspondence, should be maintained. – Ministerial Code

Grieve countered Straw with a complaint that Straw himself was biased and that decisions regarding the protection of public interest were subject to considerations of political interests:

Does the Secretary of State appreciate how it will appear to the public for someone so closely involved in the key decisions to be now personally blocking the release of that information?

Is it not also the case that the Government’s self-righteous tone of protecting the public interest is fatally undermined by their past behaviour in releasing information—such as the Conservative Cabinet documents on the exchange rate mechanism—when it suited them, for reasons of the most blatant political advantage?

We are talking about Cabinet minutes and issues of the utmost national interest.

On the subject of devolution Dominic Grieve is biased, having declared himself against an English parliament. And there is little doubt that his (and the Conservative Party’s) political interests lie in preventing the English, Scottish and Welsh publics from knowing what objections were raised to the 1997 devolution settlement.

Given that England was not offered devolution, but has been negatively affected by devolution to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, I think I have a right to know whether any members of the Cabinet raised any objections or made representations on England’s behalf. The fact that both Jack Straw and Dominic Grieve have blocked this information leads me to believe that the minutes contain information that would further the nationalist cause and undermine the Union.

The UK Government is extremely sensitive about releasing anything that sheds light on the rationale behind its illogical and unjust devolution settlement. In July last year I submitted a further FoI request asking for the minutes of the 2nd Joint Ministerial Committee meeting during which the Government’s White Paper on English Regional governance was discussed. Rather reasonably, I think, I made the point that there was no one English at this meeting on how to balkanise England. The request was refused on the grounds that:

Information you have requested is exempt under section 35(1) (b) of the Freedom of Information Act, which protects Ministerial communications. Section .’35 is a qualified exemption and I have considered whether the balance ot the public interest favours our release of this material. There is a general public interest in disclosure of information and I recognise that openness in government may increase public trust in and engagement with the government. I recognise that the discussions Ministers have may have a significant impact on the lives of citizens and there is a public interest in their deliberations being transparent. These public interests have to be weighed against a stronger public interest in Ministers being able to discuss issues freely and frankly, exchange views on available options and understand their possible implications. The candour of all involved could be affected by their assessment of whether the content of the discussions will be disclosed prematurely. if discussions were routinely made public there is a risk that Ministers may feel inhibited from being frank and candid with one another and in seeking the advice of officials or other experts. Taking into account all the circumstances of this case, l have concluded that the balance of the public interest favours withholding this information.

In other words, although the people of England may have legitimate reason to question whether the UK Government and the representatives of the devolved administrations have English interests at heart, it is not in the British public interest to disclose this information.

So England has no representation at a meeting about England, and any semblance of accountability is denied us because the British public interest is more important than the English public interest.

The rationale behind the veto of these devolution minutes relies on the assertion that disclosure would undermine the operation of UK government. The fact that 59% of the English public believe that UK Government is already undermined and untenable demonstrates the difference between what is in the public interest and what cretins like Straw and Grieve state to be the case. Why on earth should partisan and biased individuals like them be the arbiters of public interest?

Having initially been content to continue to be governed themselves by an unreformed set of UK institutions at Westminster, support for the status quo has now fallen to just one in four of the English electorate. 59 per cent say that they do not trust the UK government to work in the best long-term inter ests of England. - IPPR

Surely there is a case for arguing that release of these devolution papers is in the English public interest, as far as the English are concerned these minutes are (to paraphase Grieve) ‘issues of the utmost English national interest’.

Dominic Grieve’s decision notices can be downloaded from the Information Commissioner’s website.

Farage Backs An English Parliament in a federal arena.

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Posted on : 09-02-2012 | By : EnglandExists | In : England, English Campaign, English Politics, Free England Alliance

I urge all English Nationalists who want an EP to join Ukip as they have more chance than any other party in England of realising our dreams of self determination for the people of England.
Federal Policy is a winner.